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		<title>By: Crystal Fritts</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal Fritts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick to your guns. I went to put my house on the market in the fall of 2008.  All the agents that looked at it wanted to list it for about $40,000-60,000 less than what I thought it should be. Then an agent came over and said &quot;what do you want?&quot; I told her, we listed for that and it sold for just 5% less than the asking price.

Then I went to Mexico and bought a house. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick to your guns. I went to put my house on the market in the fall of 2008.  All the agents that looked at it wanted to list it for about $40,000-60,000 less than what I thought it should be. Then an agent came over and said &#8220;what do you want?&#8221; I told her, we listed for that and it sold for just 5% less than the asking price.</p>
<p>Then I went to Mexico and bought a house. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my husband and i bought a fifth wheel trailer and traded it in for our toyhauler about 9 months late(in 2008). we didn&#039;t have any trouble trading it in, though we did wind up upside down in the loan. what that meant practically was that our trailer payment went up about $60. what we discovered was that your trade in value with most dealers is much lower if you admit to having lived in the RV (as opposed to using it for &quot;vacations&quot;). so if you can keep your RV in good condition, don&#039;t admit to having lived in it. just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my husband and i bought a fifth wheel trailer and traded it in for our toyhauler about 9 months late(in 2008). we didn&#8217;t have any trouble trading it in, though we did wind up upside down in the loan. what that meant practically was that our trailer payment went up about $60. what we discovered was that your trade in value with most dealers is much lower if you admit to having lived in the RV (as opposed to using it for &#8220;vacations&#8221;). so if you can keep your RV in good condition, don&#8217;t admit to having lived in it. just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ann</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jennifer,
I agree with everything &quot;GypsySoul&quot; said, particularly about the income tax benefits of renting out your home, if you can swing it financially.  This is what I did, though I&#039;m older than you, had owned my home longer, and didn&#039;t have to contend with a negative cash flow.  My primary goal in moving into my R.V. was to save more money toward retirement.  Renting out the condo has enabled me to live elsewhere and hang onto an appreciating asset that will generate income free and clear when the mortgage is paid off.  Also, as GypsySoul and LadyDiga pointed out, this gives you a &quot;fallback&quot; position if you should tire of the R.V. lifestyle.  I don&#039;t think you will, though.  Good luck and best wishes,
Mary Ann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jennifer,<br />
I agree with everything &#8220;GypsySoul&#8221; said, particularly about the income tax benefits of renting out your home, if you can swing it financially.  This is what I did, though I&#8217;m older than you, had owned my home longer, and didn&#8217;t have to contend with a negative cash flow.  My primary goal in moving into my R.V. was to save more money toward retirement.  Renting out the condo has enabled me to live elsewhere and hang onto an appreciating asset that will generate income free and clear when the mortgage is paid off.  Also, as GypsySoul and LadyDiga pointed out, this gives you a &#8220;fallback&#8221; position if you should tire of the R.V. lifestyle.  I don&#8217;t think you will, though.  Good luck and best wishes,<br />
Mary Ann</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1077</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, well based on that well thought out critique, go ahead and list it for $265 and give up the chance for that extra $34K in your pocket.

just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, well based on that well thought out critique, go ahead and list it for $265 and give up the chance for that extra $34K in your pocket.</p>
<p>just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ladydiga</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>ladydiga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS. 
AND...sooo NOT true...not if the agent CARES about their clients,  AND their own reputation. (and Most do)

Towns/Cities are small....agents live WITH their clients...past and present. Period.
A good reputation and excellent honest ethics makes the difference in an agent&#039;s success or failure.
So..I call BS on that one.
Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS.<br />
AND&#8230;sooo NOT true&#8230;not if the agent CARES about their clients,  AND their own reputation. (and Most do)</p>
<p>Towns/Cities are small&#8230;.agents live WITH their clients&#8230;past and present. Period.<br />
A good reputation and excellent honest ethics makes the difference in an agent&#8217;s success or failure.<br />
So..I call BS on that one.<br />
Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should read the chapter on real estate agents in the original (not super) freakonomics next time you&#039;re in a bookstore... or just buy it.  One huge point they make is that there is actually a disincentive for real estate agents to list a home at fair market price.  They only get 3%, so while you get 299-265 = $34K less, they only get $8K instead of ~$8900 for selling it.  They only get a cut of that anyway, so basically they&#039;re getting a few hundred dollars less but probably MUCH SOONER than they would it if was fairly listed-- a matter of weeks rather than a matter of months, cause too-cheap houses sell faster.  

The book proves statistically that real estate agents list their own properties at a much fairer price than their clients (aka marks).  Go for the $299 girl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should read the chapter on real estate agents in the original (not super) freakonomics next time you&#8217;re in a bookstore&#8230; or just buy it.  One huge point they make is that there is actually a disincentive for real estate agents to list a home at fair market price.  They only get 3%, so while you get 299-265 = $34K less, they only get $8K instead of ~$8900 for selling it.  They only get a cut of that anyway, so basically they&#8217;re getting a few hundred dollars less but probably MUCH SOONER than they would it if was fairly listed&#8211; a matter of weeks rather than a matter of months, cause too-cheap houses sell faster.  </p>
<p>The book proves statistically that real estate agents list their own properties at a much fairer price than their clients (aka marks).  Go for the $299 girl!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are AMAZING! I hope this information is helpful to other readers, as I feel so damn selfish getting all of this guidance from you guys.

Take care,

Jennifer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are AMAZING! I hope this information is helpful to other readers, as I feel so damn selfish getting all of this guidance from you guys.</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>Jennifer</p>
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		<title>By: GypsySoul</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>GypsySoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, one last thing, here is a website I found that seems to have more used Class Cs listed in one place than all the other sites put together. http://www.rvsearch.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, one last thing, here is a website I found that seems to have more used Class Cs listed in one place than all the other sites put together. <a href="http://www.rvsearch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rvsearch.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: GypsySoul</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>GypsySoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put your house on the market - you lose nothing by trying to sell it and seeing if you get an offer you can live with.  

But you gain some valuable things by leasing it out for a couple years, not the least of which is the ability to come back to it if you tire of the road.  So renting it out is &#039;Plan B&#039;.  Austin is NOT California, and your market is &#039;likely&#039; to improve in 2 years (though no one has a crystal ball).  If you do come back to it, then you&#039;ll have an even longer period for the market to recover.  

Next challenge:  how to rent it out at breakeven or a small cashflow loss (remember, even if you rent for a &#039;small&#039; loss, there is probably a big positive impact on your income taxes).  What I&#039;m going to suggest will NOT affect your credit score, I promise, ok?  Call your mortgage company and ask for the &#039;Loss Mitigation Dept&#039;.  Be persistent until you get through to those folks.  Tell them you want to apply for a MODIFICATION.  They may ask why and you can choose to tell them that you&#039;ve had some mental health challenges and are concerned about your cashflow.  It is essential that you affirm you are living in your home (owner occupied).  I wouldn&#039;t mention that you&#039;re thinking about renting it out (or buying an RV for that matter).  Given what you&#039;ve stated here about your home value, you have an exceedingly high probability of getting a Modification that will lower your house payment SIGNIFICANTLY.  There is NO DOWNSIDE to asking for a Modification, the worst they can do is say no.  Many, many folks are having success merely by asking, but you have to get through to the right folks. 

I look at major investments with a long-term view and in that context, homes are appreciating assets while vehicles are depreciating assets.  Yes there are exceptions but you don&#039;t want to &#039;Buy High and Sell Low&#039; which is what you do if you sell now.  This is also why you want to buy a used RV.  If you can live with 25ft for 2 years, fine, but it&#039;s better to spend just &#039;slightly&#039; more to get something you may be comfortable in for up to 5yrs, even if it&#039;s an older model.    

If you buy an 8yr old RV and sell in 2 years you&#039;ll lose less than if you buy a 2yr old RV and sell in 2yrs.  Generally, the older the RV the less you lose in resale - except for the additional costs to bring it up to speed (which are essential to understand).  If you have the adventure of a lifetime and sell it at a small loss, it will probably be worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put your house on the market &#8211; you lose nothing by trying to sell it and seeing if you get an offer you can live with.  </p>
<p>But you gain some valuable things by leasing it out for a couple years, not the least of which is the ability to come back to it if you tire of the road.  So renting it out is &#8216;Plan B&#8217;.  Austin is NOT California, and your market is &#8216;likely&#8217; to improve in 2 years (though no one has a crystal ball).  If you do come back to it, then you&#8217;ll have an even longer period for the market to recover.  </p>
<p>Next challenge:  how to rent it out at breakeven or a small cashflow loss (remember, even if you rent for a &#8217;small&#8217; loss, there is probably a big positive impact on your income taxes).  What I&#8217;m going to suggest will NOT affect your credit score, I promise, ok?  Call your mortgage company and ask for the &#8216;Loss Mitigation Dept&#8217;.  Be persistent until you get through to those folks.  Tell them you want to apply for a MODIFICATION.  They may ask why and you can choose to tell them that you&#8217;ve had some mental health challenges and are concerned about your cashflow.  It is essential that you affirm you are living in your home (owner occupied).  I wouldn&#8217;t mention that you&#8217;re thinking about renting it out (or buying an RV for that matter).  Given what you&#8217;ve stated here about your home value, you have an exceedingly high probability of getting a Modification that will lower your house payment SIGNIFICANTLY.  There is NO DOWNSIDE to asking for a Modification, the worst they can do is say no.  Many, many folks are having success merely by asking, but you have to get through to the right folks. </p>
<p>I look at major investments with a long-term view and in that context, homes are appreciating assets while vehicles are depreciating assets.  Yes there are exceptions but you don&#8217;t want to &#8216;Buy High and Sell Low&#8217; which is what you do if you sell now.  This is also why you want to buy a used RV.  If you can live with 25ft for 2 years, fine, but it&#8217;s better to spend just &#8217;slightly&#8217; more to get something you may be comfortable in for up to 5yrs, even if it&#8217;s an older model.    </p>
<p>If you buy an 8yr old RV and sell in 2 years you&#8217;ll lose less than if you buy a 2yr old RV and sell in 2yrs.  Generally, the older the RV the less you lose in resale &#8211; except for the additional costs to bring it up to speed (which are essential to understand).  If you have the adventure of a lifetime and sell it at a small loss, it will probably be worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real Estate Agents Sell their home for a higher price than they sell their clients homes, because they will leave them on the market longer and not take a lower offer, so go for! Wait until  the right person comes along and buys it.

RV question.
If you work real hard to keep the purchase price  really, really close to value, you can sell it in a couple years and come out ok. I would plan for a $5K to $10K hicky. Ask this one over at RV.net, and get the experts answer.
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real Estate Agents Sell their home for a higher price than they sell their clients homes, because they will leave them on the market longer and not take a lower offer, so go for! Wait until  the right person comes along and buys it.</p>
<p>RV question.<br />
If you work real hard to keep the purchase price  really, really close to value, you can sell it in a couple years and come out ok. I would plan for a $5K to $10K hicky. Ask this one over at RV.net, and get the experts answer.<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: Clarke Hockwald</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarke Hockwald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a tricky question.  How easy to sell a Class C after a couple of years really depends on how good a deal you get when you guy it.  You have to find a Class C in great shape, well maintained, been used on a regular basis for a rock bottom price.  It&#039;s possible, but will take patience.  Like homeowners, most RV owners have an inflated idea of what their RV is worth.  You will need to find someone who MUST sell quickly, and is willing to take a loss to sell.  If you buy with the intent of sellling to upgrade you will be taking a risk.  There are no guarantees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tricky question.  How easy to sell a Class C after a couple of years really depends on how good a deal you get when you guy it.  You have to find a Class C in great shape, well maintained, been used on a regular basis for a rock bottom price.  It&#8217;s possible, but will take patience.  Like homeowners, most RV owners have an inflated idea of what their RV is worth.  You will need to find someone who MUST sell quickly, and is willing to take a loss to sell.  If you buy with the intent of sellling to upgrade you will be taking a risk.  There are no guarantees.</p>
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		<title>By: bob giddings</title>
		<link>http://livinginmycar.com/blog/2010/01/11/listing-price/comment-page-1/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>bob giddings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a good chance that waiting will NOT improve the situation, at least in the medium term.  California house prices have dropped 30-40% in many areas since 2007.  Austin is not immune.  You may well wait two years and actually get considerably LESS than you can get now.  While your debt grows.

That&#039;s why they call it a bubble.

Can you actually service that enormous credit card debt for the next few years, plus subsidize a renter, plus buy an RV?  You should be prepared for Visa to start squeezing customers more and more if credit contracts.

Of course you could always pray for some really vicious inflation to make your debts worth less.  But be careful what you ask for.  This only works if your income goes up at the same time.

In your situation, given the likely economy for the next few years, I would cut my losses and get clear as much as possible.  Re-boot.  But that&#039;s just me.   I am one of those &quot;rip the bandaid off quickly and get it over with&quot; guys.

I&#039;m reminded of an old song by the Amazing Rhythm Aces.  &quot;Typical American Boy&quot;:

&quot;You&#039;re a typical American boy,
from a typical American home.
Started out with a couple of breaks,
Couldn&#039;t leave well enough alone...&quot;

But you are not by yourself.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a good chance that waiting will NOT improve the situation, at least in the medium term.  California house prices have dropped 30-40% in many areas since 2007.  Austin is not immune.  You may well wait two years and actually get considerably LESS than you can get now.  While your debt grows.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they call it a bubble.</p>
<p>Can you actually service that enormous credit card debt for the next few years, plus subsidize a renter, plus buy an RV?  You should be prepared for Visa to start squeezing customers more and more if credit contracts.</p>
<p>Of course you could always pray for some really vicious inflation to make your debts worth less.  But be careful what you ask for.  This only works if your income goes up at the same time.</p>
<p>In your situation, given the likely economy for the next few years, I would cut my losses and get clear as much as possible.  Re-boot.  But that&#8217;s just me.   I am one of those &#8220;rip the bandaid off quickly and get it over with&#8221; guys.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of an old song by the Amazing Rhythm Aces.  &#8220;Typical American Boy&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re a typical American boy,<br />
from a typical American home.<br />
Started out with a couple of breaks,<br />
Couldn&#8217;t leave well enough alone&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But you are not by yourself.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: RV question

I suggest you try and find an affordable Class C (that&#039;s in great shape) that will work for you for a couple of years. This not only gives you time to get the feel of living in an RV but it also gives you time to save some money towards a newer model if that&#039;s what you choose to do. This way you are out on the road traveling and living - doing it! You can always trade in and get something fancier later on down the road. RV&#039;s are worse than cars when it comes depreciation(new or used). But the good news is that a Class C usually will hold it&#039;s value (depending on the year and the condition). Obviously it won&#039;t be full value but if you keep it in good repair I don&#039;t see why you wouldn&#039;t be able to trade it in when the time comes. Just do your homework and make sure you don&#039;t go out and buy a hunk of junk that you will be stuck with.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: RV question</p>
<p>I suggest you try and find an affordable Class C (that&#8217;s in great shape) that will work for you for a couple of years. This not only gives you time to get the feel of living in an RV but it also gives you time to save some money towards a newer model if that&#8217;s what you choose to do. This way you are out on the road traveling and living &#8211; doing it! You can always trade in and get something fancier later on down the road. RV&#8217;s are worse than cars when it comes depreciation(new or used). But the good news is that a Class C usually will hold it&#8217;s value (depending on the year and the condition). Obviously it won&#8217;t be full value but if you keep it in good repair I don&#8217;t see why you wouldn&#8217;t be able to trade it in when the time comes. Just do your homework and make sure you don&#8217;t go out and buy a hunk of junk that you will be stuck with.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t some people bury some sort of statue in their backyard to help the sale of their house? Have you heard that superstition? I figure, in these times, everything helps!  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t some people bury some sort of statue in their backyard to help the sale of their house? Have you heard that superstition? I figure, in these times, everything helps!  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish you the best of luck in selling your home and getting your asking price. Now comes the waiting game. Be patient!

We can all sit around and discuss current real estate market conditions until we are blue in the face. There is nothing further you can do physically to make sure the house sells. Now the main key to selling your house is to focus &quot;mentally&quot;. Listen to Eckhart Tolle and really concentrate. Put your &quot;order&quot; into the Universe and it will happen. Remember, Ask, Believe, &amp; Receive. Trust me on this one, I have sold a couple of properties in my lifetime. I&#039;m channeling positive vibes your way to get this house SOLD so that you can get rolling! :)

49 days of sobriety is far from easy! That&#039;s a huge milestone! Remember that you only get out of recovery what you put into it. You are doing a fabulous job! Keep it up! :)</description>
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<p>We can all sit around and discuss current real estate market conditions until we are blue in the face. There is nothing further you can do physically to make sure the house sells. Now the main key to selling your house is to focus &#8220;mentally&#8221;. Listen to Eckhart Tolle and really concentrate. Put your &#8220;order&#8221; into the Universe and it will happen. Remember, Ask, Believe, &amp; Receive. Trust me on this one, I have sold a couple of properties in my lifetime. I&#8217;m channeling positive vibes your way to get this house SOLD so that you can get rolling! <img src='http://livinginmycar.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>49 days of sobriety is far from easy! That&#8217;s a huge milestone! Remember that you only get out of recovery what you put into it. You are doing a fabulous job! Keep it up! <img src='http://livinginmycar.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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